Friday, September 29, 2006

DO NOT SKIP THIS POST!!! WE CANNOT IGNORE WHAT METHODS OUR OWN CONGRESS JUST APPROVED AND THE ONLY WAY TO FIGHT IT IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS!!!


"stress position" drawing from khymer rouge

FROM DAVIDCORN.COM This Is What Waterboarding Looks Like
As Congress has debated legislation that would set up military tribunals and govern the questioning of suspected terrorists (whom the Bush administration would like to be able to detain indefinitely), at issue has been what interrogation techniques can be employed and whether information obtained during torture can be used against those deemed unlawful enemy combatants. One interrogation practice central to this debate is waterboarding. It's usually described in the media in a matter-of-fact manner. The Washington Post simply referred to waterboarding a few days ago as an interrogation measure that "simulates drowning." But what does waterboarding look like?

Below are photographs taken by Jonah Blank last month at Tuol Sleng Prison in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. The prison is now a museum that documents Khymer Rouge atrocities. [snip] the views expressed here are his own observations.

His photos show one of the actual waterboards used by the Khymer Rouge. Here's the first:


How were they used? Here's a painting by a former prisoner that shows the waterboard in action:


In an email to me, Blank explained the significance of the photos. He wrote:

The crux of the issue before Congress can be boiled down to a simple question: Is waterboarding torture? [snip]. The Khymer Rouge were adept at torture, and there was nothing "lite" about their methods. Incidentally, the waterboard in these photo wasn't merely one among many torture devices highlighted at the prison museum. It was one of only two devices singled out for highlighting [snip] There was an outdoor device as well, [snip] chin-up bars. (The prison where the museum is located had been a school before the Khymer Rouge took over). These bars were used for "stress positions"-- another practice employed under current US guidelines. At the Khymer Rouge prison, there is a tank of water next to the bars. It was used to revive prisoners for more torture when they passed out after being placed in stress positions.

The similarity between practices used by the Khymer Rouge and those currently being debated by Congress isn't a coincidence. As has been amply documented ("The New Yorker" had an excellent piece, and there have been others), many of the "enhanced techniques" came to the CIA and military interrogators via the SERE [Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape] schools, where US military personnel are trained to resist torture if they are captured by the enemy. [snip]These techniques were designed to elicit CONFESSIONS. That's what the Khymer Rouge et al were after with their waterboarding, not truthful information.

Bottom line: Not only do waterboarding and the other types of torture currently being debated put us in company with the most vile regimes of the past half-century; they're also designed specifically to generate a (usually false) confession, not to obtain genuinely actionable intel.

These photos are important because most of us have never seen an actual, real-life waterboard. The press typically describes it in the most anodyne ways: a device meant to "simulate drowning" or to "make the prisoner believe he might drown." But the Khymer Rouge were no jokesters, and they didn't tailor their abuse to the dictates of the Geneva Convention. They-- like so many brutal regimes--made waterboarding one of their primary tools for a simple reason: it is one of the most viciously effective forms of torture ever devised.

The legislation backed by Bush and congressional Republicans would explicitly permit the use of evidence obtained through waterboarding and other forms of torture. Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and other top al Qaeda leaders have reportedly been subjected to this technique. They would certainly note--or try to note--that at any trial. But with this legislation, the White House is seeking to declare the use of waterboarding (at least in the past) as a legitimate practice of the US government.

[snip].


please visit mr. corns site for the story in its entirety....i know alot of you wont though, which is why i copied the majority of it and included the pictures.

I KNOW ITS PAINFUL TO BE ANGRY, AND I KNOW WE ALL HAVE BUSY LIVES, BUT THIS IS A DANGER NOT TO US BUT OUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!! and while i know many may disagree, i think the risk of these now torture laws are going to end up being alot more dangeruous for our children then terrorism. what if it is your children that become our soldiers, and our captured by the enemy? do you think they will show our soldiers any respect, now that we have legalied torture?

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